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Question: Who was the best human player (1900-2005) never to be Champ?

Akiba Rubinstein

2 (4.2%)

Aron Nimzovich

0 (0.0%)

Carl Schlechter

1 (2.1%)

Reuben Fine

1 (2.1%)

Paul Keres

16 (33.3%)

Leonid Stein

0 (0.0%)

Viktor Korchnoi

13 (27.1%)

Vishy Anand

9 (18.8%)

David Bronstein

2 (4.2%)

None of the Above (pls explain)

4 (8.3%)

Total votes: 48

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Best never to be World Champion? (Read 19291 times)

Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #48 - 10/07/05 at 03:32:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	No worries, I missed mate in 1 tuesday

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10757 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #47 - 10/06/05 at 23:13:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	That makes sense indeed. Sorry, Willempie, I missed the wink.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #46 - 10/06/05 at 21:39:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb, To paraphrase someone else, Anand is in the thick of the race to win the tournament. Topalov has already won the exhibition! Anand isn't underperforming by much, there's just no comparing what Topalov is doing to any "normal" 2750+ performance!


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #45 - 10/06/05 at 10:05:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	That is why I used the

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10757 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #44 - 10/06/05 at 09:55:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Easy to say now, isn't it Willempie? Had you predicted this Topalov onslaught? I had expected a rat race between Anand and Topa. Even now I do not really understand why Anand went wrong.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #43 - 10/06/05 at 05:10:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	It is beginning to look like this thread is showing a major lack of insight in strengths of certain players. It seems that certain people here like Kasparov rank Anand higher than Topalov

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #42 - 09/14/05 at 23:03:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	You answered your own question, BK. There was no need for a tournament when Fischer resigned the throne because a match-play tournament had just taken place to determine the best challenger to the throne. As a result, the Candidates Match between Karpov and Korchnoi, 1974, is sometimes considered a de facto World Championship match. Karpov was indeed the most active world champion up to his day, then Kasparov eclipsed him. Not to worry though.... If Kasparov stays retired, Karpov could catch back up again! But will it count since he's no longer world champ?


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basqueknight Ex Member	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #41 - 09/14/05 at 22:49:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Karpov more or less had to be the most active world champion as he didnt earn his title in a match but by default. So he had to prove he was the best of the best. Why not play a tournament like after alekhine died to get a new WC. Fischer didnt die but refused to play.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10757 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #40 - 09/13/05 at 23:18:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	One might even say, that Karpov was the most active WCh ever. Saying that his list of tournament wins is impressive is not strong enough. Some reporter asked him around 1984, what his worst result of the last x years was. The answer: 4th at some USSR championship. I pity those, who are too young to have followed the several K-K matches.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #39 - 09/13/05 at 14:14:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yeah, woofwoof. We have lived through the Golden Age of Chess which was also the Kasparov Era. Apart from the petty politics, there has never been so many top-class tournaments with the very best players in the world fighting it out against each other seemingly every month. Chess theory (and I don't mean opening theory) has leapt far ahead of where it was even when Karpov was champion. Karpov does deserve part of the credit though, he was the most active world champion until Kasparov took over.


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woofwoof God Member Offline chess is like life Posts: 929 Location: Singapore Joined: 07/04/05 Gender:	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #38 - 09/13/05 at 12:51:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	In recent years, that would be true. Perhaps not so during the 80's & 90's. Even after losing to GK, Karpov was still the dominant one within the FIDE circle. Things started to even out during the mid 90's or so with the emergence of so many young stars coinciding with the gradual decline of Karpov.

	"I don't make mistakes. I make prophecies which immediately turn out to be wrong." - Murray Walker
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Andrew Brett Guest	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #37 - 09/13/05 at 09:49:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	My choice would be either Vishy Anand or Vasily Ivanchuk. But on a separate note..................Nigel Short would have been world champ if there had been no Kasparov, as he beat Karpov in the Candidates. Before we have a glut of responses pointing this out, I fully agree that there are many others who could have been champ with GK out of the way [color=Pink][/color]


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #36 - 09/13/05 at 08:34:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Dunno, Is there a way to change your vote on these things?


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basqueknight Ex Member	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #35 - 09/12/05 at 21:28:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	kinda late for me to vote for brontstein


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Best never to be World Champion? Reply #34 - 09/12/05 at 16:07:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi all! After several comments that Alexei Shirov should not be on the list, and David Bronstein should, I made the necessary change so you can now actually vote for Bronstein!


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